Wepwawet: just talked to the real Protag, m0e, he says he wants to pay for the acct. but they won't let him Annie H: why not wep?? Wepwawet: they won't say, Annie Wepwawet: best thiing to do is start a letter wriiting campaign Annie H: hum.. cof can get sorta stubborn, eh, m0e?? m0e: lool, tell me about it, annie;-( Wepwawet: Everyone, if you don't know Protagonist is responsible for the world you are in now Wepwawet: he is the founding father of AW Wepwawet: his "name" was taken away from him today Nobby: I have been a citizen for 3 years wepawet, but I have never met protag Wepwawet: this is a great wrong Wepwawet: he's a great guy Nobby Lara: I met him several times, Nobby...very, very nice person m0e: wep, you need to do a script, think out what you want the ppl to hear, then when you say it, try to pace it so you cant be called flooding Wepwawet: Thanks to him this world exists Wepwawet: got you m0e Faber: wep: well, he must have been doing something wrong Wepwawet: very good idea Wepwawet: not true, Faber Faber: wep: well, what happened ? m0e: then you also need to think of where you want this to go, and how to move it there Wepwawet: today Protag found out that his acct. had been taken away from him... Lara: could be a glitch while they work out the citizen number he'll be using? maybe Annie H: ohhnoooooo Faber: wep: yes, i got that. but things like that do not fall out of blue aw sky Wepwawet: this prevents him from even paying for the account Wepwawet: apparently they did, Faber Protag AKA Ron: m0e: lara, thats my thought on this, he cant have the one he had with cof, but they should restore what he built to him Wepwawet: and if not, I think we deserve an explanations from CoF Ms Karen: hi RON :} Protag AKA Ron: Howdy MIKsam: Hi Protag Lara: yes, they should...and maybe that delay is about? dunno Wepwawet: hi protag Lara: hi protag :) Wepwawet: glad to see you, Faber here thinks you must have done something to deserve this Faber: wep: if that was a mistake and if he is the founder of all this, he should have a way back in here .. that means if he doesnn't, there was some reason Annie H: hello protag = ) Protag AKA Ron: hmmm, I guess I don't need to ask: "What's you talking about"? :) Nobby: COF have an unfortunate history of doing things people don't want/like Faber: there he is Faber: protag: hehe.. Ms Karen: well it was nice chatting to u all but I must go now ... bye :}} Wepwawet: glad to see you protag, you're the man to answer what Faber is saying Protag AKA Ron: Here's what happened for anybody interested.... Protag AKA Ron: This morning someone changed my password and expiration date on my Protagonist account (citizen #2) Protag AKA Ron: This basically prevents me from renewing my account, because I can't get back on it Faber: protag: which locks your account... Faber: protag: and that came out of blue sky ? Protag AKA Ron: In essense Faber, yes Faber: protag: well, as in every case, there is always a reason for murder :) Protag AKA Ron: I was actually online as Protagonist when this occured around 9:40am PST this morning Wepwawet: has CoF responded yet? m0e: ratz, I missed a bunch of this :-((( Faber: protag: you must have some enemy working against you Wepwawet: i'll keep a copy, m0e Faber: prot: or an easy way back in if this was an admins mistake MIKsam: Has COF responded with any reason.... Protag??? Protag AKA Ron: I can understand removing someone who is attempting to damage the system, or someone who is attacking the system in some way... But their only grip with me is that they don't like me personally... I would never use that as a reason... Protag AKA Ron: to deny someone access to AW m0e: kewl, I will like to see what I missed, in my 3 minutes of not being here Protag AKA Ron: They have not even informed me of any reason for their action against me Annie H: hum.. who in cof is against you protag? Faber: prot: i agree its bad business practise, but that means you know they don't like you ? Faber: practice Lara: well, as I mentioned to someone earlier...no matter how mad you got, Ron (not saying you were angry)..you'd never do anything to hurt this program...not hurt "your baby" :) Protag AKA Ron: I know they don't like me.. yes... They have actually brought a lawsuit against me in Federal court in Boston... MIKsam: will email from a lot of us.... asking why... be of some assistance? Wepwawet: what would you like us to say in an email to CoF, Protag? Annie H: whoa.. that is rather extreme, protag! Faber: prot: may i ask what they bring against you ? m0e: hello mik, it wont hurt :-) Protag AKA Ron: Their legal action is an attempt to avoid them meeting the commitments they made to be when I left CoF a year ago Annie H: protag, may I ask why they don't like you? Faber: prot: i see Protag AKA Ron: I have been forced to defend myself in this action and have countersued them on 7 counts of various charges... including securities fraud.... breach of contract and breach of fiducary duty.... HiFlyer: Faber: protag: well, if things are that bad, you could imagine sth like this would happen... Wepwawet: they should give him the opportunity to pay for his account, faber mgib: Faber: wep: well, i don't have both sides of the story... if he build this system, he might know how to abuse it if things work out bad in the law suit HiFlyer: hey mgib...howdie pro Faber: wep: all i am saying is they might fear his internal knowledge of his baby here Protag AKA Ron: Our first hearing in Federal court was yesterday and things went very well... The judge upheld our temporary restraining order against CoF to prevent them from selling AW and running off with all the money Wepwawet: Protag would never do that, Faber, he's a man of character mgib: oh!! we are again at this "both side" , the problem is first when someone do something, does they have the courage of their opinion, Faber: wep: yes, you know that, and i don't assume otherwise, but CoF might mgib: yep the difference with rednecks m0e: LOL< is there any money to run off with!!!! MIKsam: Faber... If he has not done anything yet... why do this to him??..... or can anyone be deleted just because? MIKsam: hahaha... m0e HiFlyer: hey m0e...can we get to 'mom's money'? mgib: this isn't the problem, maybe COF has good reasons but to do things sneakly in silence isn't axxeptable Faber: miksam: or, the other reason is simply revenge... looks like his chances are much better then CoFs chances in the suit.. thats their way to pay back Wepwawet: another big problem with it is that it's a low down dirty thing to do Faber: the point is, theres a war going on, and no reason.... Faber: reasoning Radiance: I think most of us have come to expect that from COF Wepwa mgib: yep, it's a family environment here, no foul language and no foul attitude m0e: something like the day when enzo had his account removed, and he was forced to be a tourist HiFlyer: well glad to see somethings don't change...at COF...:( Faber: looks like you can't convince CoF into beeing fair by any means m0e: tudes are cool, mgib :-) MIKsam: It sure sounds like a form of discrimination Protag AKA Ron: Yes, this is just another example of pettiness of CoF's part.... I am looking forward to having our complaint resolved in court... I feel that it is the only remedy that will have any effect on them honoring their agreements. Radiance: well I for one would like tosee a change Hi Wepwawet: what would you like us to say in an email to CoF, Protag? mgib: what is dispiteful it's this hypocrisy, pretending to defend moral values here when acting like gangstaers m0e: Protag, didnt you do something like this to E N Z O once before, locked out his name from his use? HiFlyer: Radiance...change won't happen unless Mommy orders junior to do it Radiance: what is wrong with Rick? cant he speak up? mgib: HiF LOLOLOL!!! well a missed education is hard to get back Protag AKA Ron: Wep, I think a basic issue is this... Should someone be removed from this program simply because of who they are or what they say.... Faber: hehe mgib: That's the problem Radiance, they DON'T speak up, unable to stand for their decisions m0e: well, to give a more balanced view, you did this to him, protag, once before Faber: protag: can a store owner "select" his customers ? like refuse to server a former employee ? Annie H: ah well, cof is comprised of people... and humans are fallible mgib: Protag the answer is obviously YES, you know that MIKsam: not because of WHO they are...... Radiance: I am sick of it mgib I cant muster up any more loyalty to COF mgib: and even , if this is their decision, courage asks you warn ppl and stand for it Wepwawet: exactly, and i think that's something everyone will agree is unaccptable...can't have your cit pulled because of your opinions Faber: mgib: i agree.... m0e: Radi, it shpould never have been place there to begain with HiFlyer: Hey Wep...it is not our choice...just ask mgib Wepwawet: well, everyone would agree except the people who pulled your citizenship mgib: Radiance, it's never too late to open our eyes, I'm sick too, to shout it for two years and ppl ignorinf it Protag AKA Ron: I understand removing someone who is attempting to damage or attack the program itself.... To protect the interests of others.... But to just remove someone because you diagree with them is going too far Radiance: I cant help it m0e .. you know how I am .. I really wanted to believe they were real ppl with hearts and souls Wepwawet: formulating my email... HiFlyer: not if you are really only 12 yrs old Annie H: I suspect it is that they fear you Protag m0e: PROTAG, you did the same to enzo, once Faber: hif: is that true ? mgib: the most amazing is they are STUPID, they know most ppl will protest Lady Jude: hmmm, just getting here, but thought there were pretty strict guidelines on the removal thing? HiFlyer: just mentally Faber Faber: hif: i see MIKsam: Protag.... did you do the same thing to ENZO????? Wepwawet: yes to focus on the protest now is the key mgib: Hey Protag , what they did before with me , and many others m0e: radi, give your heart to ppl, not companies Faber: protag: any comment to the enzo issue ? Radiance: that was my mistake Faber I thought they were ppl as well mgib: and a business run by stupid guys is VERY scary Faber: protag: well looks like you have signed on again, right ? Annie H: they are people, just as petty and igorent as the rest of us.. hehhe don't let that bold print fool you, radiance! Annie H: ignorent Wepwawet: i'm sorry, i didn't follow that , Faber Protag AKA Ron: On the ENZO issue... at one time, I removed Rick's caretaker rights... yes... but did not remove his account. Annie H: ignorant HiFlyer: heheh dang wish i had been around for that day pro...grin m0e: much the same thing Wepwawet: then it's hardly the same thing, m0e Annie H: it tends to make people think that those cof people are gods... I think mgib: it's easy to sign anonymously Faber: web: seems i haven't either... what did i say to you ? *grin* MIKsam: not the same as removing an account.... m0e m0e: wep, if someone who worked for you, removed you from being able to make changes, isnt that something like what has been done here Wepwawet: loss of citizenship is not equal to loss of added percs Radiance: true Wep m0e: protag isnt being allowed to make changes in what he has done mgib: yes, Protag lost PS and number one ok, but losing his citizenship has nothing to do with his position Lara: Ron..does your old builder #2 have any objects within GZ here? Wepwawet: it seems clear at this point that CoF wants to silence Protag by taking his good name from him HiFlyer: dang...this is the old DM issue..."stuff to valuable to trust to the guy who made it" aaarrrrgggghhhh Protag AKA Ron: Lara, I'm not sure.... I think just a few in the GZ area here Wepwawet: and the further point is that is is a VERY GOOD NAME m0e: mgib, citz#1 is most of the GZ, and what is around it mgib: Right Wep, and in the most shameful manner, not warning Lara: ok...I really am sorry to hear what's happened, Ron. Annie H: ahhhh wep, if that were the case, would he even have an account to access?/ Wepwawet: you need to make an explanation bot, Protag Protag AKA Ron: Lara, thanks for your support... No matter what happens from all this... That is what I will take away from this m0e: I dont approve of how it was done, but before I go off the deep end, I will wait to here the other side of this Lara: lol Wep Faber: m0e: exactly Annie H: I think they were afraid of his accessing the program for sabotage, because that is how they think.. nothing to do with the actual person they are a fraid of... Wepwawet: anyone can have a new account, Annie, if they pay for it, are they going to shut out his whole ISP? Annie H: his good name isn't ruined Annie H: is it?? Faber: wep: i am not sure of that HiFlyer: m0e...what deep end...you have been unable to trust pro in the past? Annie H: I think very highly of protag, no matter what account he is on m0e: wep, looks like he has a new ID, so that is not the issue Wepwawet: sabotage? does the name Protagonist in and of itself convey such powers of sabotage???? Wepwawet: CoF has taken Protagonists name away from him Annie H: cof may think so and that is all that matters to them, wep Annie H: they are most likely thinking in concrete fear based ways.. Lara: lol..loved it :) m0e: hiflyer, like the others connected to cof, past and now, I really dont know any well enough to trust with my shared building Wepwawet: well, if CoF 'thinks' that the name Protagonist can sabotage their server then they have some serious wiring probs, Annie Annie H: well, that could be, or their lawyers may have advised them to do this Faber: lara: i saw pictures of some AW flood.. did that really happen ? Charlie: Why the name Protagonist? Charlie: AW flood? m0e: I am going to let this rest for a few days, and see what happens Wepwawet: it's the most resonant name in AW, Charlie kellee: lol lara and even better was the textures that came from it Annie H: if they are in a law suit then that would be a standard practice for a lawyer to recommend Lara: sure did Faber..I was working in the supply yard and suddenly was standing knee deep in lovely ocean4 :) Charlie: Can someone telegram me with all of this information Charlie: >? HiFlyer: sorry to hear that m0e...guess it was dif back when i started Annie H: hhehhe it was a great ocean ground cover, wasn't it lara?? Wepwawet: to take someone's account away from them, Annie? Radiance: Charlie Pro is the one that created this program Annie H: to protect the assets, wep Lara: heheh..yep, Annie m0e: yep, I was covering spme land, and started loading something new, for no reason. I loved the flood "Ron": what do you think of this place? Faber: lara: hehe, thats great.. when was that ? m0e: some Charlie: yes... Lara: forget the date..Ron would know... sometime back in August :) Charlie: and what else? Wepwawet: It seems to be fundamentally insupportable behavior, Annie kellee: 2nd? Protag AKA Ron: June 28th, 1995 :) kellee: i think? Faber: prot: thx :) Lara: I put a few pics of it at the supply yard.. Annie H: well, isn't all actions recommended by lawyers that way, wep??? Lady Jude: Have some pics of the flood here at GZ myself LOL Faber: lara: right, thats where i saw it m0e: lol, you know lawyers, annie :-) Annie H: it is the lawyers that are the cause of more bitterness in divorces.. I swear HiFlyer: still miss the old gz pro... Radiance: Pro what happened that made them do this? do you know? Lady Jude: howdy m0e :0) Protag AKA Ron: HiFlyer, :) Annie H: ohhh Lawyers live in worst case sceneiaros Wepwawet: When they attack their foundations, Annie, can CoF have any place to stand? Lara: hi Lady Jude :) Protag AKA Ron: Rad, I haven't received any explaination from CoF... Charlie: who knows most bout this? mgib: Thye deleted my first post in their ng, mentioning the fatc, but more speak up there. Wepwawet: ahhhh, the newsgroup deletions again, it's deja vu all over again, mgib Faber: yes, that mgib: yep!! because my post was the first one to speak of it, but now an whole thread is dedicated to it. Wepwawet: makes no sense to just delete your post, mgib...what goofy behavior on CoF's part Protag AKA Ron: Well, I gotta run and get some lunch... Thanks again everybody for your support... I *really* appreciate it and will not forget it HiFlyer: where is russ? cud make this even more intereting... Faber: prot: hope you keep beeing around here :) Lady Jude: Bye Protag :0) Enjoy your lunch We all love ya Wepwawet: bye, Protag! Radiance: I guess all of cyber is the communication age .. except for COF Wepwawet: yes, we're all in your corner Protag AKA Ron: Lara, :))) ummm HiFlyer: pro...stay in touch....take care...and thanks...for over 3 years of grat stuff Lara: miss those old Trivia games :) Protag AKA Ron: Faber, thanks I hope I will be allowed to be around here too :) HiFlyer: or great stuff... Black Dragon: thanx Radiance: Bye Pro I will send my thoughts to COF Lady Jude: Black Dragon/ go to the world Beta and there are instruction there on how to download the program Protag AKA Ron: Rad, thanks *a bunch* m0e: later protag, see you around the worlds mgib: sending your thought privatly doesn't help, only speaking up in public does Radiance: so do the NG and email mgib? HiFlyer: good mgib PeaceKeeper 31: i think you can truthfully say that Protag AKA Ron: adios :) Lara: bye Wepwawet: time to write my sisyphean email to CoF, mgib Wepwawet: REINSTATE PROTAGONIST!